Alfredo Chow: Hi Darlene
Darlene R. Lane has joined the chat.
Selia Karsten: HI Darlene
Alfredo Chow: Hi everyone!
Darlene R. Lane: Hello everyone
Selia Karsten: Hi Elana
Michael Neundorf has joined the chat.
Selia Karsten: Hi MIchael
Michael Neundorf: Hi
Michael Neundorf: I hope everyone is well
Alfredo Chow: Greetings!
Elana-Debra Shapiro: Hi Selia, Michael, Darlene and Alfredo
Darlene R. Lane: Alfredo, Thanks for the first class community sites... I enjoyed "surfing" through the information available at each location
Darlene R. Lane: Hi Michael!
Alfredo Chow: I'm still waiting for Stephanie
Michael Neundorf: Hey Darlene
Elana-Debra Shapiro: Almost too much info in those communities...lots to read
Alfredo Chow: I would like to act
Alfredo Chow: as moderator if you don't mind
Elana-Debra Shapiro: Y
Alfredo Chow: To keep the conversation smooth and free
Darlene R. Lane: you da' man Alfredo
Alfredo Chow: Keep your lines to two sentences
Michael Neundorf: Thanks Alfredo
Alfredo Chow: sites
Alfredo Chow: We will begin talking about the FC sites once I see Stephanie
Alfredo Chow: Everyone had a chance to register to FC?
Michael Neundorf: Yes
Darlene R. Lane: Yes
Elana-Debra Shapiro: Y
Alfredo Chow: This is about our topic online communities
Alfredo Chow: Stephanie is still not there?
Michael Neundorf: I haven't looked around too much yet.
Alfredo Chow: Think about your impressions and be prepared to talk about it
Elana-Debra Shapiro: I registered for most of the FC sites/communities.
Michael Neundorf: OK
Alfredo Chow: As always you are welcome to positive criticism, negative comments are not good for brainstorming
Stephanie Moschonissios has joined the chat.
Alfredo Chow: Welcome Stephanie
Elana-Debra Shapiro: Welcome
Michael Neundorf: Hi Stephanie
Selia Karsten: Hi Stephanie
Darlene R. Lane: Hello Stephanie
Alfredo Chow: Let's begin our chat
Stephanie Moschonissios: Thank you and hello to everyone.
Alfredo Chow: Any comments or feedback about the FC sites, two lines per person, please
Stephanie Moschonissios: I had difficulty with the revelation one.
Darlene R. Lane: I liked manicthunder best... I like the visual appeal and the way it was organized.  I found it easy to navigate around
Elana-Debra Shapiro: Some had a little too much content
Selia Karsten: I had to register twice for revelation but the correspondence was speedy and polite
Elana-Debra Shapiro: But the format was great
Michael Neundorf: There was much info to digest
Alfredo Chow: How is it useful for our project? ideas?
Stephanie Moschonissios: Are you thinking of using it as a conference area for us to post information?
Elana-Debra Shapiro: The idea of setting an online community for your classroom, as a resource and common study area seems appealing
Alfredo Chow: We will post our research in the Metal view in WebKF
Michael Neundorf: Classroom or whole school?
Darlene R. Lane: I agree with E-D... I think there is a lot of potential in the online community classroom idea
Alfredo Chow: classroom?
Selia Karsten: Are there any "holistic" implications?
Elana-Debra Shapiro: Classroom, for a start...whole school is too big a bite to swallow
Alfredo Chow: We need to develop our theme for this project
Alfredo Chow: I agree EDebra
Darlene R. Lane: Originally, we were discussing the "paperless" school idea wern't we?
Michael Neundorf: Yes
Alfredo Chow: Yes
Michael Neundorf: Classroom idea is more manageable
Selia Karsten: What if everyone isn't good at using computers?
Alfredo Chow: Stephanie, is there something you can relate to your ideas?
Michael Neundorf: or has limited access
Alfredo Chow: It should be a class with previous keyboarding experience
Stephanie Moschonissios: Sure, if we do a classroom than we can set up potential conference folders, i.e. math
Alfredo Chow: Yes, stepahnie
Alfredo Chow: sorry for the spelling
Stephanie Moschonissios: students and teachers can post material there, similar to what we do in this class
Alfredo Chow: yes
Elana-Debra Shapiro: exactly!
Elana-Debra Shapiro: chat for interactive learning, both student to student and student to teacher
Stephanie Moschonissios: so we can use it as a communication forum for students, teachers, and parents
Alfredo Chow: Somethink like what UT Schools is doing
Elana-Debra Shapiro: bbs / email for posting research, projects, homework
Stephanie Moschonissios: do we want to include parents in this?
Alfredo Chow: Instead of using IRC Chat
Selia Karsten: Ho difficult is it to create one of these FC classrooms? What is inolved?
Darlene R. Lane: Yes, I think it's important to include the parents
Alfredo Chow: It's very easy, Selia
Michael Neundorf: go on
Alfredo Chow: I can do it in Manic Thunder
Elana-Debra Shapiro: perhaps we can limit parental access so students dont feel watched
Darlene R. Lane: good point
Alfredo Chow: Simply select File -> New Conference
Stephanie Moschonissios: or maybe just post a newsletter forum for parents
Elana-Debra Shapiro: but allow them access to posted final work, and access to the teacher directly (parents sub-conference)
Alfredo Chow: Yes
Stephanie Moschonissios: great
Alfredo Chow: They can use Private Chat to establish interaction with teacher and parents who can't come to school because of work
Stephanie Moschonissios: now where do we go from here..
Alfredo Chow: Draft a proposal
Darlene R. Lane: Eventually, would it be possible to have a "stand alone" FC conference area or would a project like this always have to be acessed through an existing FC location?
Elana-Debra Shapiro: I guess we have to decide on the specifics of our model, and then build a visual model, then build the conference itself.
Darlene R. Lane: i.e., "Manic Thunder"
Alfredo Chow: Yes, we have to do research on these sites
Alfredo Chow: which would allow us to participate in a conference like Manic Thunder
Michael Neundorf: how much work is it to maintain such a site?
Alfredo Chow: Is anyone registered in Manic Thunder?
Darlene R. Lane: I am
Stephanie Moschonissios: I am
Alfredo Chow: Minimal work is required
Michael Neundorf: Yes
Elana-Debra Shapiro: Just registered tonight
Selia Karsten: I am
Alfredo Chow: I will set up a conference in Manic Thunder for further investigation
Alfredo Chow: I will call it Metal View
Alfredo Chow: Do you agree with this process?
Stephanie Moschonissios: Yes...Should we come up with a mock profile for our school?
Michael Neundorf: hands on learning
Darlene R. Lane: Sounds good so far...what do you mean by "investigation"?
Alfredo Chow: You will have the same permissions like anyone in the group
Elana-Debra Shapiro: Then we add content to metal view?
Alfredo Chow: BUt be very careful aboout deleting items
Alfredo Chow: Yes
Alfredo Chow: But be very cautious about removing things on the conference
Stephanie Moschonissios: What kind of content?
Alfredo Chow: Because you have the POWER
Elana-Debra Shapiro: lol
Alfredo Chow: You will have the power to modify items in the conference
Alfredo Chow: Selia, what do you think?
Alfredo Chow: We will report our progess to the Metal view in WebKF
Selia Karsten: About what, Alfredo - you've covered a number or items in this chat so far
Alfredo Chow: As a matter of fact I will go into Manic Thunder to create a conferencwe, are we on the right track, or should I do something different?
Elana-Debra Shapiro: why not here, and not Manic thunder...what's the difference?
Selia Karsten: I think the team needs to come up with their objective - a mission statemment or some summary of what they hope to accomplish - then an action plan - checklist of what they want to do about it
Alfredo Chow: I can do a conference on OISENet if you like this way
Selia Karsten: If joinoing and building on Mani THunder is on the list - great! What else is? and who will do what?
Stephanie Moschonissios: Are we going with OISENet or manic thunder?
Alfredo Chow: I can make the conference on Manic Thunder or on OISENet and let my team members design the forum
Darlene R. Lane: We need to decide what type of classroom this service will be designed to cater to...
Alfredo Chow: What is your preference?
Alfredo Chow: OISENet or Manic Thunder?
Alfredo Chow: Please let me know
Stephanie Moschonissios: I am not sure...
Alfredo Chow: Darlene? Michael, Elana? Stephanie?
Michael Neundorf: are thre disadvantages to either?
Darlene R. Lane: I found Manic Thunder more visually appealing, but if it easier for others in the course to access our work by using OISENet, then perhaps that's the avenue we should take
Alfredo Chow: Give me a minute, please
Elana-Debra Shapiro: proposed Mission Statement:  To develop an online community that represents a classroom, including various subjects, homework area, bbs corespondence between class members, and a posting area for finished work.
Alfredo Chow: Sounds good
Elana-Debra Shapiro: thoughts, criticisms?
Michael Neundorf: nice...junior class
Stephanie Moschonissios: sounds great
Darlene R. Lane: Sounds good.. do we want to commit to a specific grade level?  Is that necessary to include in the MS
Alfredo Chow: Do you have a conference on your desktop called Metal Project now?
Darlene R. Lane: Yes
Elana-Debra Shapiro: Yes
Selia Karsten: Yes indeedy
Alfredo Chow: This will be our online community for this project
Elana-Debra Shapiro: please refine the mission statement as you see fit
Selia Karsten: What grades do members of Metal team teach?
Darlene R. Lane: Is there a resource available that will assist us with the "how to's" of posting content in our conference (besides Alfredo....: )
Darlene R. Lane: I teach secondary
Stephanie Moschonissios: I have taught from k-10
Elana-Debra Shapiro: SK
Alfredo Chow: The FirstClass Help
Michael Neundorf: i have taught elem and sec
Alfredo Chow: I teach "Adults"
Elana-Debra Shapiro: lol
Selia Karsten: I am wondering about creating this for students who will never get to use it...
Alfredo Chow: Michael do you have a conference in your desktop?
Stephanie Moschonissios: what grade should we focus on?  Should we focus on middle school and one subject only...
Michael Neundorf: I see it now
Darlene R. Lane: Do any of us have a class that might be available to pilot such a project???
Alfredo Chow: Lets make concensus on the grade level and subject
Selia Karsten: Can students ever use the OISENet conference - would it be more accessible if it were on ManicThunder?
Alfredo Chow: It would be more accessible through Manic Thunder for students
Selia Karsten: I thought only OISE students could use OISe conferences
Michael Neundorf: I could talk to a couple of teachers
Elana-Debra Shapiro: So lets go with manic Thunder, as more accessible to all
Alfredo Chow: OISENEt requires registration of a student at the institution
Michael Neundorf: OK
Stephanie Moschonissios: I agree.
Selia Karsten: Then you can actually invite students of the age group you choose
Selia Karsten: to "test" the idea
Darlene R. Lane: I have a grade9 girls Phys Ed class that starts in February... we can "use them" if we'd like, but remember our computer access at school is limited to about 8X a semester as a class...but on Monday I can inquire about home acess
Alfredo Chow: Good idea
Stephanie Moschonissios: I am on leave right now and do not have a class to support this project.
Stephanie Moschonissios: Darlene that sounds really promising
Alfredo Chow: It is accessible via the web if they don't have FC client
Michael Neundorf: I know a keen gr 5 group
Elana-Debra Shapiro: web-access is a must, as not all have FC Client
Selia Karsten: If you  do have a goup like the phys ed group - you will need permission from their parents depending on t heir age and you would also want to create content that would appeal to them
Alfredo Chow: Could I have your permission to set up a conference on Manic Thunder on your behalf?
Selia Karsten: Can you get permission re the gr 5 group, Micahel?
Michael Neundorf: I think so
Darlene R. Lane: Are there any other candidates?  or are we deciding between the grade 5's and the Grade 9's.
Selia Karsten: COuldn't you have conferences for both?
Elana-Debra Shapiro: Im ok with the Manic Thunder conference
Alfredo Chow: And Please post a message in the conference so that I know you can use it.
Michael Neundorf: OK
Stephanie Moschonissios: Thanks Alfredo.
Selia Karsten: In Manic Thunder you are going to create a Metal COnference?
Alfredo Chow: Do you agree with this?
Elana-Debra Shapiro: Y
Darlene R. Lane: Yes
Stephanie Moschonissios: Sure
Alfredo Chow: Yes, Selia, is that ok in Manic Thunder?
Michael Neundorf: Yes
Selia Karsten: SOUnds good - you're on the right track it seems to me
Michael Neundorf: and thereis a light at the end of the tunnel
Stephanie Moschonissios: I like the phys. ed. group because it is just starting.
Michael Neundorf: could be motivating for them
Alfredo Chow: I might speak with adminsitrator of Swiftnet to allow me to use a conference in case there is problems with Manic Thunder.  He knows I'm a graduate U of T student
Darlene R. Lane: I think that we're better to start with focussing on one age group as opposed to both, as the conference will differ according to target audience...
Alfredo Chow: Do you have an account with Swiftnet?
Darlene R. Lane: Yes
Stephanie Moschonissios: Yes
Michael Neundorf: yes
Elana-Debra Shapiro: i registered today
Alfredo Chow: We need back up plans just in case, that's my style
Michael Neundorf: I agree with Darlene about 1 age group
Stephanie Moschonissios: I think that one subject is probably a better idea for us to tackle.
Alfredo Chow: one subject is better
Michael Neundorf: which one?
Stephanie Moschonissios: I think the gr. 9 girl's group can really benefit from this.  What do you all think?
Alfredo Chow: Do we have consent from the parents?
Elana-Debra Shapiro: I think we need to get the permission and buy-in of the test group before we put effort into content.
Alfredo Chow: Can get permission from the parents?
Selia Karsten: SOmeone can draft a eprmission letter to send, eh?
Darlene R. Lane: I havn't met the group yet, our first class is on Monday..... I could put together a permission form that describes the project
Stephanie Moschonissios: Good idea Elana.
Stephanie Moschonissios: Michael do you want to do the same?
Michael Neundorf: I will help with the letter
Alfredo Chow: We need an concensus
Elana-Debra Shapiro: Will the content be for Grade 9 Girls Phys Ed? (if we get permissions)
Darlene R. Lane: Keep in mind that the PE class is all girls, so that may have to factor into our plans aswell, with regards to making the sale
Stephanie Moschonissios: I can with the letter if you want...
Stephanie Moschonissios: oops, I meant help with the letter.
Michael Neundorf: Go with the 9s first?
Alfredo Chow: Please post the letter in the Metal view in WebKF
Darlene R. Lane: That would be great..It would be nice to have something to send home on Feb 4th...
Michael Neundorf: you mean something else...
Alfredo Chow: ?
Darlene R. Lane: something being the permission form.....So we have our mission statement...what type of activities are going to take place in this conference
Alfredo Chow: Elana , are you there?
Alfredo Chow: Please wait everyone to respond
Elana-Debra Shapiro: What's your curriculum for Grade 9 girls Phys Ed?
Elana-Debra Shapiro: Im here...just thinking and reading along, Alfredo.
Darlene R. Lane: Subjects that the 9's take include...math, science, english, 1 art credit, 1 Phys Ed credit, 1 tech credit, 1 french credit, 1 geography credit
Alfredo Chow: Darlene? Stephanie?
Stephanie Moschonissios: I think this is going to be really exciting.  What if we deal with some 'real' issues that these girls may have, i.e. self-image, nutrition...
Michael Neundorf: are they doing any research projects?
Elana-Debra Shapiro: We should focus on the Phys Ed stuff, and definitly the issues that Stephanie mentioned!
Selia Karsten: What about something to do with the Olympics?
Darlene R. Lane: In PE, the health focus is on Substance use and abuse,  Healthy Sexuality, and CPR.. the activity units include both individual and team sports,
Stephanie Moschonissios: What will you be doing first?
Alfredo Chow: I will go along with the majority
Darlene R. Lane: Olympics start soon (yipee)... we'd have to get a jump on it to capitalize on this event
Michael Neundorf: focus on Canadian athletes?
Selia Karsten: The girls might want to follow a certain sport or role model
Darlene R. Lane: I'm starting withFitness, Aerobics, Weight Training and Team building initiatives ( 3 weeks)
Stephanie Moschonissios: Darlene, what do you think these girls would really like and benefit from?
Elana-Debra Shapiro: Aerobics & CPR seem to fit well, both deal with the heart, and it's Valentine's day soon!
Alfredo Chow: What are their interests?
Michael Neundorf: boys
Alfredo Chow: lol
Elana-Debra Shapiro: lol
Darlene R. Lane: I'm trying to think about what would motivate these girls to visit this online community..... I definitely think that issues relative to them are important to include (even if they are outside of the curriculum).. body image, etc.
Stephanie Moschonissios: Good point!
Alfredo Chow: Tom Cruise?
Stephanie Moschonissios: What if they could create their own online magazine?
Michael Neundorf: advice
Alfredo Chow: E-magazine
Stephanie Moschonissios: Something simple, and they could post and edit their articles.
Selia Karsten: I know a site where you can choose a body and see what different clothes look like on it
Alfredo Chow: Gap?
Stephanie Moschonissios: That's cool... Selia where is it?
Darlene R. Lane: Girls love to talk.... so if we could generate some relevant discussion around some of these issues, that would be good... keep in mind, these kids will not have the same annonimity (sp) that others involved in online communities
Selia Karsten: Land's End
Selia Karsten: You create the model on your own measurements - my female students love it
Elana-Debra Shapiro: So what is our homework?  Perhaps we should each design, in high level, a basic layout of the conference.  That way we can cram all our thoughts together and make one GREAT community.
Michael Neundorf: surf for ideas
Alfredo Chow: Why don't we post our thoughts in the metal view in WebKF?
Darlene R. Lane: I could definitely do something around the online magazine idea..., my first official health unit with them is not until April, I'm in activity units until then
Stephanie Moschonissios: I agree with Elana.  Let's do our homework.
Alfredo Chow: My time is up, let's schedule the next meeting
Darlene R. Lane: Sounds good...I'll get the permission form ready for monday and post it in the Metal View WK on the weekend for feedback
Alfredo Chow: Are you free on Superbowl sunday?
Stephanie Moschonissios: Darlene, due to that issue of anonymity, it might be good for us to post articles that they could read and relate to.
Darlene R. Lane: NOPE
Elana-Debra Shapiro: Are we agreed?  Develop a basic layout of the site, and then surf for cool things!
Alfredo Chow: Sure, Elana
Michael Neundorf: yes
Darlene R. Lane: Sounds good E-D
Stephanie Moschonissios: yes
Elana-Debra Shapiro: My husband has got me to watch the Stupid Bowl, how about next week, same time
Alfredo Chow: Next Tue at 7:30 pm?
Elana-Debra Shapiro: I mean, Super bowl
Selia Karsten: Thanks for inviting me Alfred o - looking good team
Stephanie Moschonissios: Sure..Darlene how can I help with the letter?
Alfredo Chow: Tue 7:30 pm?
Selia Karsten: Any questions before I go?
Darlene R. Lane: I'm ok with next week Tuesday...I'll met the kids by then, so I'll give you an update as to their reactions..although I'd to have a clearer idea as to what this site will be like before "selling" it to them
Alfredo Chow: No yet, Thanks Selia
Elana-Debra Shapiro: Next Tues, 7:30 it is.
Selia Karsten: Bye then all
Stephanie Moschonissios: I don't have any questions right now. Next Tues. is good for me too.
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Michael Neundorf: Great
Darlene R. Lane: Perhaps I could preview some of the ideas we've discussed and then send to form out with our "concrete plans"  after our meeting on tuesday
Elana-Debra Shapiro: nobody liked my "Stupid Bowl" joke?
Alfredo Chow: smiles
Michael Neundorf: put your money on the Rams ED
Stephanie Moschonissios: I thought it was funny
Alfredo Chow: Tue at 7:30 pm
Alfredo Chow: yes or No
Elana-Debra Shapiro: Y
Darlene R. Lane: Yes
Michael Neundorf: yes
Stephanie Moschonissios: Yes
Elana-Debra Shapiro: bye all, good luck!
Alfredo Chow: meeting is adjourned
Darlene R. Lane: Adios
Elana-Debra Shapiro: Alferedo, will you post the minutes?
Michael Neundorf: take care
Stephanie Moschonissios: Bye
Alfredo Chow: I will Elana
Elana-Debra Shapiro: Bye
Michael Neundorf: thanks
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